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hey, that does it for us. "cnn tonight" with don lemon starts now. >> we are counting down to the first presidential debate, but every day is a debate for donald trump and hillary clinton. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. trump insisting today he opposed the iraq war from the beginning. >> this is a quote, absolute quote. "look at the war in iraq and the
mess that we're in." it's right after the war started. >> the only problem, that was actually one year and five months after the war started. meanwhile, trump's running mate might pence talks to dana bash defending the candidate's charge that america's generals have been, "reduced to rubble." >> i think he was talking about the commander in chief reducing the influence of generals to rubble. >> you know who doesn't agree? hillary clinton. >> he trash talks about america's generals saying that they've been, quote, reduced to rubble. he said he would fire them all and hand pick his own generals because he knows so much about what it takes to be a general. >> let's get now to cnn's dana bash, mark preston and mr. david
gergen. mark, i'm going to start with you because donald trump and hillary clinton aren't holding back attacking each other today. take a look at this. >> let me be clear. last night was yet another test and donald trump failed yet again. we saw more evidence that he is temperamentally unfit and totally unqualified to be commander in chief. >> hillary clinton is always complaining about what's wrong. i just watched her on the tarmac. she tried to make up for her horrible performance last night. it was a horrible performance. so she went on the tarmac and told more lies. >> i think what he said was totally inappropriate and undisciplined. i would never comment on any aspect of an intelligence briefing that i received. >> she'll be saying a a wonderful job she's going to do, she'll get your vote and say see ya in four years. she might even say see ya in four years suckers.
>> they're making their case again today. did either candidate come out on top after last night? >> i don't think so. hillary clinton was very defensive last night and you could blame that on the format and the timing and how the moderator chose to pursue the forum last night where they were discussing foreign policy and terrorism and what have you but donald trump offered no policy specifics himself, what really was very broad. two things came out of it, don. one is donald trump talked about the u.s. generals and he basically said that they were reduced to rubble, that they had really no influence and no power and was very critical of them. he was also in some ways laudatory of vladimir putin and very critical of barack obama. very puzzling. a bizarre comparison. if you go back a year ago the pew research center did a poll of countries about their
views on vladimir putin. no surprise, 75% of americans did not think vladimir putin would do the right thing when it came to global affairs. i don't know why donald trump is embracing vladimir putin. >> do you think it hurt him, david gergen, to embrace vladimir putin? >> i think his embrace of putin along the campaign is bizarre. he's one of the most hated men around the world. seen as authoritarian leader. i think so far he hasn't paid much of a price for it but the big enchilada is coming up. the big first debate. if he continues to embrace putin, will become a more serious issue. >> what do you think, dana, him and vladimir putin, a dictator. >> i think the most fascinating part of this putin/trump worldwide romance is trump says very explicitly why he says nice
things about vladimir putin and that's because putin says very nice things about him. period, end of story. he said it to matt lauer against last night. he's said it month times before. if vladimir putin started saying nasty things about donald trump, it would be a different approach. if you're hillary clinton and her came pain, the question is really, is that how you're going to approach geo political diplomacy if you're in the white house? >> yeah, yeah. >> the interesting thing is there are populous parties that have grown up all across western europe. there are ten countries where there are major populous parties. most of them are right wing and all of them are having this romance with vladimir putin. it's like the populous authoritarian movements in the united states and there, not saying authoritarian here but movement that's leading trump is very similar to what's going on
in western europe. this sense that putin is somehow heroic or strong man or he's effective i think is bizarre. >> where does that come from? >> i don't know why. >> it's clearly giving putin, you know, incentives to keep testing us, to keep pushing because he may get away with it. >> dana, why are you saying uh-huh? >> because i think david is exactly right, not only on the mirror that we're seeing between what is happening here with the movement backing donald trump and many countries in western europe, but more importantly on the kind of backing that's giving vladimir putin. he already has the support from within russia. there are lots of reasons for that but we can put that aside. but for him to have praise from other countries around the world when if you go back, i remember george w. bush, what we wanted to do more than anything else was get inside vladimir putin's
head to understand him and the thing that he would say is the most important thing to know is that he wants to restore russia to the time of hundreds of years ago, he wants to be the next peter the great. so for him to have this adulation is what he wants. >> mark, and i'm shur david >> you're talking about the electorate in europe and not necessarily the politicians. here in the united states, politicians and dana, you as especially the marquee establishment politician, they are denouncing what donald trump is saying about vladimir putin without denouncing the candidate himself. >> isn't it amazing, too, dana bash is out at the reagan library and we're talking about how the republican nominee is embracing vladimir putin at this point. let's just go back. remove vladimir putin from the discussion last night and you saw donald trump really make a play for the real hard line conservative defense
republicans. i mean, that has been his play, what should have been his play, quite frankly, for the past three, four months but that has been his play over the last couple of days. he tried to do it last night as well. what's also strange and bizarre is donald trump appeared on r.t. this evening, which is the government funded russian television that's shown here in the united states. so, which again, i don't know why he would choose to do that either but certainly some strange decision making. >> let's move on and talk about hillary clinton now. dana, this is for you. hillary clinton on that tarmac, that was her first press conference in nearly ten months. i was watching it and said, whoa, an impromptu press conference, what's going on? why now? what is the strategy here? >> she needs to get her message out. she hasn't needed to do that for various reasons over the past many months. i think one of the main reasons is the clinton campaign, they were very okay with donald trump
being the story because he kept stepping in it, frankly. he was perpetuating bad news just because he would talk and that was completely okay with hillary clinton campaign and they didn't want to get in the way of that. now it's different. she did spend a lot of august raising money, not on not doing press conferences but not really doing a lot of rallies and now it different. now she has to get out there to be the person to combat donald trump. because becausess he is more disciplined now. it's a bar we don't ascribe to other candidates but it is true. he's much disciplined now and it's making it more competitive and she needs to get out there and they know that. >> many people have been saying -- >> i hate to say many people because it sounds like donald trump but it's true, especially -- >> people are saying.
>> yeah, people are saying. where has this hillary clinton been, the one who is transparent now and is holding press conferences? >> i think she's been too hidden. i think they've been sitting on their lead. frankly she seemed rusty last night in that debate. she would have benefitted from taking more questions from supporters. i sort of wonder today, they need to get the rust off, they better do it pretty darn quick. they've got to get her in fighting form. donald trump did pretty well. a lot of people are blaming matt lauer and i think there's a lot of blame -- >> that really is the water cooler discussion. >> everyone is being much tougher on her and very light on trump but the fact is that trump came out of last night doing pretty well against her and i think that's got to be a wake-up call for the clinton campaign. do not take this lightly. do not assume you can walk over this guy in a debate. he did pretty well in the republican debates. you should beat him, the american public expects you're going to beat him. the cnn poll shows most americans think she'll win. i don't think that's good news for her. you're better off being the underdog. >> right. because that motivates the
supporters to go to the polls and say, oh, my god, she's behind. i have so much to get to. i want to ask you, how do you think matt lauer did last night? >> this was the wrong format for matt lauer. he's very kbift gifted in many ways >> do you think he was damned if he did and damned if he didn't? >> yeah but the good news for hillary coming out of the matt lauer thing is lester holt will be the host for the first debate. he has got to play it very, very fair. chris wallace from fox said i don't want to call people if they tell a lie. lester holt will be under heavy pressure, if either candidate lies, you got to call them on it. >> you have to do it. it very tough when you sit here every night and having interviewed donald trump and many of his surrogates every night, even when you press someone to answer a question specifically, you're seen as biased. i think interviewers are
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upgrade your phone system and learn how you could save at vonage.com/business donald trump getting plenty of flak for his support of vladimir putin. back to talk about more. one sticking point was trump's false claim he was against the war in iraq from the start. he spent a lot of time insisting it's true but it's not. here is trump in 2002 on the howard stern show. >> are you for evading iraq? >> i guess so. i wish the first time it was done correctly. >> zero proof that he opposed the iraq war before the invasion
of 2003. the first time he spoke out against it was in "esquire" magazine, a year and four months after the invasion. then if you look at all of these, hold them up for the panel, this is five or six fact checks and articles about how it's false. even the writer of the magazine is saying that it's false. why does he continue to make this claim when it's proven to be false so many times? >> stubborn, fella, isn't he? >> even today afterwards he's saying it's true but it's not. there's no proof at all. >> sometimes candidates get very stubborn about this, they won't admit the truth, they look like terrible doing it. more they look like they're stone walling or indifferent. >> how does this compare to hillary clinton and the e-mails? is that equal? >> i must have tell, i don't think she'd been as transparent. she'd been a lot better off if she dumped all this off. get the documents out. i went through watergate with nixon. you want to survive, be
transparent. get everything out. >> dana or mark, do you think he's going to continue to double down on this even though it has been proven false over and over again. >> probably. probably he will. knowing donald trump and what he's done on other issues where people challenge him to say there's no proof of that, he does double down on it and i think when you talk about the frustration after last night, hillary clinton has said it, it trump himself said it was in "esquire" magazine in 2004, i opposed the iraq war even before it started, except the war started in 2003. >> and there's an editor's note from "essquire magazine" following up on the story and saying it was 2004 and it was after the war began in march of 2003, more than a year before this story ran, thus nullifying trump's timeline and then they wrote about it again. let's talk about the poll numbers.
it's very interesting. a lot of poll numbers to discuss out today from the two battle ground states. hillary 43% for clinton, 49% for trump. it's a tight race. >> our cnn/orc national poll, a lot of people didn't think it was right. clearly it was, we're starting to see it in the state polls. we should be clear though, there are a lot more mathematical ways for hillary clinton to win this election than drath. democrat. he has a very narrow path. hillary clinton could lose florida and ohio and still win the presidency in november. she is doing better in states such as colorado, nevada, you know, states that republicans they certainly were battleground states. if you look at a state like north carolina, which has been a reliable republican, has been trending toward becoming a battleground state, that is a problem for donald trump. virginia pretty much off the board.
tim kaine, another battleground state, is on the ticket. when you see states like north carolina go, start look at georgia. when you're playing defense, you're not playing offense in states such as virginia, wisconsin and michigan. >> it was a fascinating interview i got to watch with governor pence. you asked him about the debate prep, how it went. what did he say to you? >> i should say i did have a pretty lengthy interview with him talking about the hot topics we discussed in the lost segment. he defended what donald trump has said about vladimir putin saying that president obama -- that putin is a better leader than obama. he tried to explain what trump said last night about the generals, but at the end when we were walking around this library here, pence really wanted to do a tour, we were talking about the fact that ronald reagan was
a very, very good debater so i asked about his own debate prep and here's what happened. >> reporter: are you thinking about ronald reagan as you get ready for your debates? how are you preparing? >> we're preparing in a very traditional way. my running mate is a masterful debater. people saw that on display last night. he did a tremendous job in that forum. i'm confident he's going to acquit himself well and articulate that bold agenda -- >> reporter: what about you? how are you preparing? >> we're really taking time to brush up. i spent 12 years in congress and >> i've been governor of indiana for the last four years -- continuing to be my focus. >> reporter: are you doing mock debates? do you have somebody playing tim kaine? >> we actually do. i'll leak it to you later. >> okay. >> you could be sure i asked for that name many times and i still am, haven't gotten it yet.
but not going to let go of that. i thought it was interesting that this is yet another example of how mike pence is a traditional candidate. he's doing this debate prep in a traditional way with somebody as a stand-in for tim kaine, whereas donald trump so far at least is saying he's not doing that, he's just sitting around the table having discussions with his advisers. >> thank you all. i appreciate it. when we come back, going to tell viewers we're going to talk about this what is aleppo? unbelievable, right? and we'll talk about donald trump, what he says about generals and they've been reduced to rubble. what will he say when he goes head to head with hillary clinton on the debate stage? we'll be right back.
breaking news right now. it appears that north korea may have conducted a nuclear test, a magnitude 5.0 tested in the same location as earlier tests, the most recent in january. south korea believes the quake was artificial. joins us now by phone with more. jim, what do you know about this? >> reporter: you speak to u.s. officials, they say they haven't made a formal assessment yet.
but i spoke to folks in the military and they say this has all the hallmarks of a nuclear test. one, the size of it but also the location of this earthquake, presumably taking place exactly or voes to exactly where north korea's last nuclear test took place. and not to put too fine a point on it but north korea is now a nuclear power. it's the nightmare scenario that folks have been talking about for years and that the administrations have tried to prevent. this will be their fifth successful nuclear test. keep in mind it's the view of the u.s. intelligence that they believe they have to assume that north korea has the ability to put a nuclear device on the tip of a missile. we've seen this missile tests all the time every couple of weeks. it a really alarming reality we're facing here. >> jim sciutto with our breaking
news. we appreciate that. we're going to continue on now and discuss politics, donald trump and hillary clinton doing battle on national security night here in new york. tonight's news in north korea will definitely be an issue. here to discuss nicholas and bob koous ic nick, to you first. within thing you can say about last night's forum in an election which has largely been devoid of policy, at least we are talking about the issues somewhat. what was your take on the forum last night? >> we didn't really talk enough about the issues. i thought it was a little bit of an embarrassment to journalism frankly. first ten minutes of hillary clinton's section was diverted by the e-mails, which were not a new issue or national security issue and there wasn't real follow-up or fact checking. so i hope that was not a preview of what we're going to see in
the debates. >> what do you think of the discussion today been all over social media? >> pretty rough reviews in every newspaper of matt lauer. it's a tough job. >> it is a tough job but you had the sense he was very focused on his questions and wasn't fully listening to the other person and ready to jump in. we in the media business have to think more broadly about the fact that we're devolving more toward entertainment and i think that matt is very good at entertainment. i think he's less good at international security issues. and i think that's a weakness we're going to have to think about as we approach the debates. >> but part of it also as well speaking to david gergen, he said night after night people like me and others sit here night after night so immediately you recognize when something is not accurate, the iraq war this evening and on and on. so you can catch it right away. but if you don't do it every single day -- >> yeah, although i must say
that there are a -- few facts that have been checked as thoroughly as trump saying he was against the iraq war. >> this is only six of the fact checks, numerous ones out there about the iraq war. later we'll speak to the "esquire" writer -- >> trump was implying he was against the libyan intervention. in fact, he was in favor of it. there seemed throughout to be a sense of, you know, tell us how you're going to make us safe from terrorism in 15 seconds. and international foreign policy does not work that way. >> there was one point where hillary clinton said this is very important, i know we're on television and i think, you know, the people who are sitting at home and wanted more on policy were happy about that, whether you were a detractor or supporter of hillary clinton. at least something. >> i think that my sense frankly was that politically trump probably did better with
undecided voters. he is very good at sound bites. hillary clinton is not good at sound bites. >> my question to you, bob cusack, do you think this forum was a trial run of sorts for debates as well as example to debate moderators on how to handle them? >> oh, yeah. it was like the preseason in the nfl. it wasn't very long. 30 minutes for each candidate. matt lauer certainly was interrupting hillary clinton more. but when you're in the situation -- i mean, you know the situation, don. sometimes you do have to interrupt. but did he interrupt her more than trump? absolutely. did trump do pretty well? has he momentum continued? yes. does he have problems in the battleground states? absolutely. he's got a long way to go in some of these states. >> i don't think it's about who interrupted who the most. because if you are not telling the truth or not answering a question directly, then you deserve to be interrupted at that point to either stay on track or be reminded that you're not telling the truth. >> that's absolutely right.
and i do think it's going to be very challenging for the moderators in these four debates, but that goes with the territory. and you have to stop them as you said, when they're saying something wrong and i think if trump just said listen, okay, i said that thing on howard stearn but then soon thereafter i was against the iraq war, okay, that's fine, but he's not saying that. >> you just broke in the war of the news with about north korea, the fifth nuclear test. they have a missile that perhaps will be able to reach the u.s. mainland. addressing that is going to be the kind of challenge that we didn't really get insights last night in terms of which candidate is going to be more able to address it. that's not something you can deal with sound bites. it's about working closely with china, japan, south korea, trying to find leverage and financial sanctions, intelligence.
it's kind of emblematic of the complex foreign policy challenges that we did not really get a lot of insight into last night. >> 25 minutes sounds like a last long time but it's really not when you're talking about such important issues. i wonder if the candidates hurt themselves by agreeing to do just an hour. maybe they should have done longer. maybe would have helped them >> if i would have been trump's adviser, i would have said do short. he does 20-second sound bites pretty well. i don't think he does two-minute policy well. hillary clinton is the opposite. >> bob, what stood out most to you last night? there was some concern about what he said about the generals being reduced to rubble and what geniuses thought about women and men being placed in the military together and hillary clinton's wonkish policy remarks about the e-mails. what stood out the most to you? >> what stood out to me don is that she said they were never going to have ground troops in
iraq or syria. that -- in politics you never say never. that can change. as situations change, as terrorism changes, as the mideast changes, that struck out to me. she's been viewed as more hawkish than president obama. the fact that she said never did surprise me, especially because we're seeing some changes in the polls along with isis. this country is very war weary, but at the same time, you know, if people are fearing isis, then they're going to support ground troops, especially if there are more terror attacks on u.s. soil. >> i have to just quickly get this in. you wrote something in the "new york times" today called "the black eyes in donald trump's life" and it is a scathing, scathing take on donald trump since he was a child. why did you go so hard on him? >> i think there is a danger, frankly, of us in journalism normalizing donald trump or engaging in a false equivalency of this candidate has these flaws and this candidate has these flaws.
and these candidates are not similar in that respect. i've been covering politics for a long time and i have never met a national candidate who is so ill informed, so evasive or so deceptive as donald trump. and that's why i came down pretty harshly. >> people have been talking a lot about gary johnson today and what is aleppo? has donald trump had more of those moments than gary johnson? >> he has had aleppo moment after aleppo moment. he he mixed up the kuds force with the kurds, for example, in the middle east. he didn't understand what the nuclear triad was. he didn't understand nuclear policy in japan or south korea. >> the crimea. >> his whole -- every time he ventures in foreign policy, you flinch. >> thank you gentlemen, i appreciate it. >> when we come back, high expectations for hillary clinton as we count down to the first presidential debate but will that help or hurt her?
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expectations for hillary clinton in the first presidential debate with donald trump. here to discuss john phillips, talk radio host with kabc in los angeles, he's a trump supporter. also andy dean, the former president of trump productions, former political commentator bakari sellers, maria cardona, also a clinton supporter. good evening, as they say. >> hello, don. >> maria, there's an cnn/orc poll, americans expect hillary clinton to outperform trump in the first presidential debate in less than they weeks. 53% of likely voters say she'll do a better job in the debates. 43% expect him to do a better job. does he have the advantage of lower expectations? >> absolutely he does. the poll doesn't surprise me because what we've also seen in the majority of polls is most americans believe she's the one who has the knowledge, the experience and the temperament to be president of the united states. so they would then assume that
in a debate one-on-one that she would certainly win. if that debate was going -- if we could guarantee that that debate was going to be full on on ideas, on your -- what do you want to do for the country, a real debate on the issues and on each one's proposals, absolutely she would blow him out of the water. >> you think that will happen? >> exactly. that's my point. that's not going to happen. he's going to turn the debate stage into his own reality show stage. that's the danger. >> but, andy, that's not a bad strategy considering she's so versed in policy. if you compare the two resumés, if hillary clinton was trying to become a real estate mogul, you would say donald trump beats her. he's trying to become a politician, he's applying for elected offices are her resumé beats his. he's going to try to get her in the way he can do it. is that a bad strategy? >> she is well versed when it comes to bureaucracy and being in government for 30 years but
donald trump is well versed when it comes to business and the american public care about the economy and they care about jobs. he can talk authentically from the heart about creating jobs. and debate aren't just about what you say. it's also about nonverbal communication. trump is a master with his reactions and how he handles himself and carries himself on stage. it's also how you deal with the moderator. newt gingrich was made famous by attacking the moderator. there's a lot of ground that can be made up doing that. and i think trump is a master at pulling out all the stops. >> if you'll let me jump in, >> when you consider last night, right, what he said about the generals last night, what he said about women in the military last night and of course his praise of putin, if he can do that within a 25-minute interview, a half hour interview in that forum, what about a 90-minute debate? that's a question. he got a lot of flak today for those three comment and others just within 25 minutes. >> trump has had more experience debating over the past year than
hillary clinton because all of the republican debates were at primetime hours on week nights. the democrats buried their debates on weekends and bernie sanders, look, 74-year-old socialist is not a tough opponent. donald trump was going after 15 oernl very tough killers and he emerged after almost every debates athe winner. i think trump has better experience. >> i'm going to agree with andy on all of that. >> come on, what does 74 have to do with it? i'm just saying. >> i don't know. i'm just saying that bernie sanders isn't the toughest pugilist fighter. >> your words. john, do you want to respond to that? i know some pretty smart, spry 74-year-old. and donald trump is not far behind >> and how old is donald trump? >> i don't think any of them are spring chickens but go on, john. >> i think there are consequences for spending every day of the last year calling him a reality show bulgarian who
only opens up the newspaper to read the astrology section. the bar has been set so low that he's going to go out there and i think he's going to shock people and show them there's a lot more to him than that description. hillary is billed as the wonk, who spent all of her life in politics, people expect her to do well in these debates. america likes an underdog. go back to the 2000 election when al gore was running against bill bradley. al gore had every possible advantage you could possibly have in that race and he went out and said i consider myself to be the underdog in this democratic primary. he did that for a reason because he was trying to lower expectations. the expectations for hillary are going to be very high and for donald trump not as much. the point spread favors donald trump. >> and even with that, the same poll finds that voters see clinton as better able to handle the public scrutiny that comes with being president.
what do you think that means for donald trump, even through the debates here? >> i think what we've been seeing throughout the entire process, i believe it was george w. bush who talked about the soft pig otry of low expectations. we have low expectations for donald trump. whether or not we look at social media where the associated press just today took back a tweet which was false about the clinton foundation. we saw it last night with matt lauer and i don't want to -- i don't know if it was ineptitude or just an inability to be prepared for the moderation that he had to do last night, but we've seen it throughout this entire electoral process where donald trump is just held to a different standard. i think when you get to these debates you realize that you don't get participation trophies. what we have to look forward to is people actually having real facts and real solutions. you're not going to get up there and just lie about the iraq withdrawal or get up there and lie about your support for the war in iraq, you're to the going to get up there and lie about libyan intervention --
you just can't do that in presidential election >> well, you can. >> so that's the problem. >> and hold on one second. what i also have to say is you can talk about donald trump debating 17 other individuals or 16 other individuals, but donald trump has never been on stage one-on-one with all the marbles on the table and donald trump has never ever, ever had to stand up to a woman standing beside him on equal platforms able to tell him no, sir, you are not telling the truth and i'm more prepared to lead than you are. i'm not sure that donald trump can handle hillary clinton giving him that verbal lashing that we all know he needs. >> everyone gets to respond right after this. >> he can handle it. ♪ using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the framework...
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we're going to continue our discussion, talk about what we're talking about before, being up there on the stage and also discussing -- reaching out to the black vote as well. a lot is going on. my panel joins me now. andy dean, you seem to think that he can handle being up on stage with a woman who is immersed in policy. >> absolutely. i mean, trump has more experience on television than anybody else. he's also used to dealing with high powered women. and working with high powered
women. i worked with trump for seven years. i saw it day in and day out. i think trump's going to go into this with a lot of confidence. he obviously has the business knowledge. >> this isn't the same thing, andy. >> he's not used to going -- >> wait, guys, guys, what debates are about and what donald trump is an expert is thinking on your feet. what could prepare him better than that than hundreds of episodes when he was in the board room. >> i think you're right. >> i was on the other side of that boardroom. i got fired by him. >> i absolutely completely agree with you which is why i was saying earlier, that in this format, this is donald trump's domain. so going into this, i do think we need to have higher expectations -- >> nice try at highering the expectations. >> i disagree with maria. >> but here's the thing -- hang on. >> here's why i believe that. again, she not going up against an equal on knowledge, policy expertise and understanding how actually to govern a country as great as the united states.
let's just dismiss that because that's not what she's doing. what she's doing is she's going up against a candidate who has normalized lying, normalized deceit and complete idiocies and so people are kind of looking at this as an eequivalency, where it is absolutely not. >> i want bakari to comment but, andy, my mother used to tell me if you keep rolling your eyeballs like that, they're going to get stuck in the back of your head. that was a huge eye roll right there. >> i turn on the television and everybody makes trump out to be this crazy buffoon. he built a multibillion dollar company. he runs over 500 corporations under the trump organization umbrella. i've seen him dealing with the most complex financial real estate deal. >> that's fine. andy -- >> you should also read nicholas kristof's piece today. but go ahead, bakari. >> we know he has a billion dollar in debt. if he wants to refute anything else, he should release his tax returns. that's neither here nor there. the point is that, you know, you
can't take somebody who actually negotiated peace along the gaza strip, who actually put together in 120 country international accord on climate change. you can't take someone who was actually in the situation room and actually was with the president of the united states and the vice president of the united states when we brought osama bin laden to justice and say that it's the same thing as firing little bootsy -- not little bootsy, gary busey. i was listening to little bootsy on my way to the studio. and for you to articulate that it is, it shows that the double standard is very real. hillary clinton has to do something amazing here. hillary clinton has to do something amaze because you know, donald trump said that hillary clinton doesn't look like a president, and she doesn't, because the other 44 presidents of the united states are all men.
so, she has to go above and beyond, and we know that's the case in all three debates. >> but women are used to that. >> >> i think bakari is right that hillary clinton is certainly a tough customer. it takes big muscles to destroy all of those cell phones with the hammers that she spent so much time doing. but donald trump also went up against megyn kelly. let's not forget that. in that first debate she came after him with a vengeance right away and what happened? the crowd erupted, the crowd sided with donald trump and his campaign took off after that first debate. i think donald trump will be able to handle himself. >> that's why he's doing so well among women, right, john? >> if you look at the latest cnn poll, he's leading among married women. >> republicans have always won among married women. he's losing college educated women, which republicans have always won. mitt romney won college educated women by six points and he lost the election. so, good luck with that. >> he's up by 2 points. >> to bakari's point on foreign policy, if hillary clinton is going to get on stage and talk about how she was successful as secretary of state when the
middle east is currently on fire, syria is in a civil war, barack obama and hillary picked the wrong side in egypt, they messed up libya, that is not a winning strategy. that's a strategy -- >> let me sask you this. >> andy, you bring up this foreign policy point. it's the same thing that donald trump went down the path of last night. you want to talk about the vote in iraq, which i disagreed with, which i supported barack obama last time who didn't vote for the war in iraq, but hillary clinton did. >> and she apologized for. >> she did. she owned it and apologized for it and says it was the wrong vote but donald trump also supported that. you talk about the libyan intervention. donald trump also supported that. you talk about the iraq withdrawal. donald trump also supported that. and the only thing -- the only credential, and i'll give donald trump this because ai've watche it before but the only credential is the ms. universe pageant that he's had overseas that had some relationship to any foreign dip llomacy worldwi.
>> i've got to ask, when's the last time there was peace in the middle east? >> it's much worse now, don. >> the last time were actually close to that was the last time we were under a president named clinton. the last time we were very, very close to having peace between the palestinians and israelis and stabilizing the middle east was under president clinton. the last time we had a true peace or accord amongst some middle easterners -- >> she had the intelligence and she voted for it. i believe in the pottery barn rule of politics. you broke it, you bought it. >> donald trump saying he was against the war in iraq from the beginning and says his interview with "esquire" magazine proves it but is that true? i'm going to talk to the writer who did that interview.
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